Here is the link:
http://melancthontownship.ca/11council/agenda.june2.pdf
Watch for a letter from Highlands solicitors, Goodmans wherein they advise that the Township's peer reviewers were retained prior to March 4, 2011 (MY NOTE: then why in hell was Councils letter submitted to the MNR two pages long with nothing substantial in it?) and they go on to state that the Melancthon peer reviews will be completed in approximately 10 weeks. (MY COMMENT: how in the hell would Highlands know that when that information has NOT been relayed to the ratepayers. This would also seem to indicate that Highland knows who Melancthon's subject matter experts are, but us lowly taxpayers, nope, we weren't advised).
Highlands solicitor then goes on to make the generous offer that they will be willing to sit and discuss application with Melancthon's peer reviewiers and their experts at any time.
I would not in my wildest dreams ever, for a minute, think that Melancthon's experts would meet with Highlands "experts" and no one else's.
Something else of note on agenda an Official Plan update from Geriatric Jorden with yet another excuse why the OP isn't ready yet. This time it is because of the large number and complexity of the comments received on draft plan and others. Who is the other? I bet it is from the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing saying what a crappy plan it is.
So his new time frame is "sometime" in August the plan will be presented and hopefully within six weeks for the review process would mean late fall or early new year. Kaching-another $20,000 thousand in his pocket for "working" on the OPA.
Then there is an amendment to the upgrading Hydro One Line on the 2nd line NW.
The biggie is a delegation by the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing on education and training for Councillors. This is in open session. It would be nice if someone could ask the presenters if it is the responsiblity of Council to run the day to day business of Council.
Dear Anon:
I know you won't believe this, but minebuster is not an expert in everything. I have no idea why your post disappeared, sometimes this stuff goes into spam, sometimes it just disappears, but since you have something to say and took the time to say it here it is again:
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "MELANCTHON COUNCIL MEETING JUNE 2, 2011 AT 9AM":
It is common knowledge that the peer reviewers for the township were retained in the last term of council but they were not able to start their work reviewing until the application was deemed complete which only happened recently. The letter is as it is because the peer review process is not complete and the township wanted to submit a letter but anything more than was in the letter would have had little basis in fact, (because the reviewers were not done, in fact only starting) and would have predjudiced the townships position. It also would be as if the township was prejudging the application, which would have caused a lot of problems.
While the peer reviewers are working towards a goal,(the township has two timelines for OPAs and Zoning apps) of 120 and 180 days, I am reasonably sure ther township would prefer "thorough" reviews rather that fast reviews. An statement by Highlands of a time period is strictly an estimate on their part.
The peer reviewers names are not a secret but if anyone wishes to contact them they should do so through the township.
The peer reviewers from both sides of an application meet to try to resolve differences, and to clarify questions and information. It is standard procedure.
Jerry Jorden has been working on the OP and has had numerous submissions from council, the public, community groups, and Highlands, all of which have to be researched, and brought into compliance if they are being used. I won't comment on the money as the bill is not in, and the MMAH has had no input on the OP except for answering a few questions posed by council and the public.
And you well know, it is NOT councils job to run the day to day business of the township. The staff recieve direction from council, by majority vote in council and they then are to carry out the wishes of council expeditiously and effectively as directed.
Posted by Anonymous to Mining for the Truth in Melancthon at May 31, 2011 12:05 AM
Its very easy to bitch, accuse and insult from the sidelines, especially when your facts are generally incorrect in this particular post.
ReplyDeletePlease enlighten us readers-exactly WHAT is incorrect in this particular blog.
ReplyDeleteIt is common knowledge that the peer reviewers for the township were retained in the last term of council but they were not able to start their work reviewing until the application was deemed complete which only happened recently. The letter is as it is because the peer review process is not complete and the township wanted to submit a letter but anything more than was in the letter would have had little basis in fact, (because the reviewers were not done, in fact only starting) and would have predjudiced the townships position. It also would be as if the township was prejudging the application, which would have caused a lot of problems.
ReplyDeleteWhile the peer reviewers are working towards a goal,(the township has two timelines for OPAs and Zoning apps) of 120 and 180 days, I am reasonably sure ther township would prefer "thorough" reviews rather that fast reviews. An statement by Highlands of a time period is strictly an estimate on their part.
The peer reviewers names are not a secret but if anyone wishes to contact them they should do so through the township.
The peer reviewers from both sides of an application meet to try to resolve differences, and to clarify questions and information. It is standard procedure.
Jerry Jorden has been working on the OP and has had numerous submissions from council, the public, community groups, and Highlands, all of which have to be researched, and brought into compliance if they are being used. I won't comment on the money as the bill is not in, and the MMAH has had no input on the OP except for answering a few questions posed by council and the public.
And you well know, it is NOT councils job to run the day to day business of the township. The staff recieve direction from council, by majority vote in council and they then are to carry out the wishes of council expeditiously and effectively as directed.
"(MY COMMENT: how in the hell would Highlands know that when that information has NOT been relayed to the ratepayers. This would also seem to indicate that Highland knows who Melancthon's subject matter experts are, but us lowly taxpayers, nope, we weren't advised)."
ReplyDeleteEverything can't happen in front of the ratepayers. Do you expect every developer to wait 2 weeks for the next council meeting to get a little detail like this sorted out? Nothing would ever get done! Especially with the usual crowd of NIMBYs squaking and rolling their eyes...
Secondly, it's a GOOD thing when experts from both sides meet. Efficient way of getting down to the real issues.
you asked me to respond, I responded and you delete my comment. Thats really trying to get to the truth......as long as its your truth I guess
ReplyDeleteDear May 31, @ 10:46. I know you aren't a councillor posting a statement "everything can't happen in front of the ratepayers." In fact the Municipal Act has very narrow parametres providing for Council NOT to take action in front of the public. And this is somethign the new Council, just like the old, has NOT figured out. The ratepayers are just as important as the "developers". I have no idea why developers would be given special expedited treatment and not expected to wait because when ratepayers want a building permit or a severance they wait.
ReplyDeleteI'm not may 31 at 1046 and I believe that as much as is humanly possible should happen in front of the ratepayers, but I am unclear on the "expedited" treatment that was mentioned in the last post. Could either side, or both sides clarify for me? Thanks
ReplyDeleteThanks for reposting my comment, I may have been (i can't believe I'm going to say it)......wrong....or at the very least....hasty.
ReplyDeleteyou asked me to respond, I responded and you delete my comment. Thats really trying to get to the truth......as long as its your truth I guess
ReplyDeleteYes I have noticed "other comments" have been deleted also......a "select" few
"And just to point out and remind everyone this is the same planner and Council who didn't feel it necessary to make any decision on the turbine issue several years ago (neither yes or no), nor did they peer review a single study submitted. By making no decision, it jumped over the provincial ministry process, where they would have taken a look at these studies and went straight to the OMB where they do NOT peer review anything."
ReplyDeleteGee you complain about the Township not acting on the windmills 3 or 4 post down, and now your upset cause they are doing something within the allowed timeset and commonly handled fastion.......make up your mind.....buster
Hope someone reads these comments before they get spammed out!!!! LOL
ReplyDeleteThis seems as good an occasion as any to throw into the soup. Didn't Mayor Hill promise at the March 26 Honeywood meeting that a list of the names of the expert peer reviewers would be posted on the Melancthon website after any forthcoming applications for Zoning and Official Plan Amendments were deemed complete? I can't find any such list. Correct me if I'm wrong.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who was at the Council meeting when Municipal Affairs and Housing was there knows that Council was told that EVERYTHING must happen in front of the ratepayers EXCEPT the very narrow parametres that are set out in the Municipal ACt.
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